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 Post subject: Re: Part 2 Chapter 44
PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 8:21 am 
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I just thought of something. Jung was like his dad before Joo Yong talked to him. He was openly showing his distaste for the girl until Joo Yong said " Your smart. Just smile." :twisted:


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 Post subject: Re: Part 2 Chapter 44
PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 9:35 am 
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Feedert wrote:
Ahem...
Prof. Baek, before you pointing finger at someone else's children... Please do look at your grandchildren first....
The granddaughter grown up to be a psycho, while the grandson...is a "bit" of hot headed and ... well, I won't say anything about him...

I mean...
Before he offer Jung's father to take care of Jung, he should take care of his grandchildren properly first.....

That's actually a REALLY good point. He's off judging Jung, meanwhile his own grandkids grew up to be far worse.


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 Post subject: Re: Part 2 Chapter 44
PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 11:42 am 
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Feedert wrote:
Ahem...
Prof. Baek, before you pointing finger at someone else's children... Please do look at your grandchildren first....
The granddaughter grown up to be a psycho, while the grandson...is a "bit" of hot headed and ... well, I won't say anything about him...

I mean...
Before he offer Jung's father to take care of Jung, he should take care of his grandchildren properly first.....



I totally have to agree with this. Professor's Grandchildren are completely messed up, they aren't doing well in life and while In Ha may not have caused In Ho's accident look at how she treated him afterwards, how is that not outright crazy? I Notice that maybe Jung does have things good in his life but he also naturally talented as well. I mean look at Joo Young in comparison, he also came from a rich family and is struggling for years to pass the civil service exam..and I honestly don't see him passing no matter how hard he tries cause he doesn't know how to apply himself. Jung on the other hand works hard so you cant really blame his good luck on his wealth.

LOL on another note recent studies have started to theorize that the majority of highly successful CEO's in the world are actually psychopaths. It takes a particular brand of cunning and lack of empathy to be a reallllly good CEO and non violent psychopaths fit the bill perfectly. Some of the most successful have actually taken the psychopath test and came up positive. (listen to ThisAmericanLife). So from a business standpoint him being a psychopath is not actually a bad thing.
Just as a reminder being a psychopath is just a way of thinking or function of the brain, they arent all killers they just lack certain amounts of empathy. sometimes this expresses itself as violence but more often its just cold calculation.

But I like this chapter, but I don't find myself liking the professor. I am on the fence about Dad because while I think he truly loves his son, the doubts professor instilled in him have caused him to put up a wall between him and Jung. I think Jung has felt this wall ever since and has withdrawn in turn.

That's why I can't like professor, by insisting on causing doubt he might have made conditions worse.


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 Post subject: Re: Part 2 Chapter 44
PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 12:38 pm 
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Feedert wrote:
Ahem...
Prof. Baek, before you pointing finger at someone else's children... Please do look at your grandchildren first....
The granddaughter grown up to be a psycho, while the grandson...is a "bit" of hot headed and ... well, I won't say anything about him...

I mean...
Before he offer Jung's father to take care of Jung, he should take care of his grandchildren properly first.....


Well too bad Prof. Baek passed away a long time ago, that's why he couldn't take care of his grandchildren, it showed when little Jung brought his friends to his house (if I see/read it correctly from past picture). And Prof. Baek had agreed to do something about his grandchidren first.

Jung's father turned all right thanks to Prof. Baek's care. I think that's why Jung's father decided to help Baek sibling after Prof. Baek passed away because he felt in debt to Prof. Baek for his help.

Thank you very much Yuko, and yes I miss Sherlock Holmes. Prof. Baek was good to see through little Jung, same goes to Sul and In Ho.

Btw, if the landlord's son has the keys to Joo Yong's apt, why did he take AP Huh keys to put stolen undies at Joo Yong's apt? Could the culprit be someone else?


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 Post subject: Re: Part 2 Chapter 44
PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 4:31 pm 
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Haven't posted here in a while, but I just had to get my two cents in.

Okay, I think those of you mentioning the Baek siblings are missing the point.
Neither of those kids are sociopathically manipulative, they just have anger issues (on a varying scale). We've never seen either of them successfully try to subtly manipulate anyone... most of the time they deal out their revenge in your face. Secondly, it's not fair to tell Professor Baek to "look at his own grandkids". This flashback revealed that the siblings' parents have been dead since they were very young, and they've obviously haven't been living in a stable home environment. If Prof. Baek had lived, I'm pretty sure the professor would've stamped out most of the siblings anger issues as he apparently did the same with Jung's dad. But he died when the siblings were in their prime development stage, so of course they had no mentor.

The problem with Jung is that he knew exactly what he was doing as he manipulated that girl. He knew how to act to get her to do what he wanted. What's even more scary is that he manipulated her so well that even she didn't realize it. It's scarily smart especially for such young an age, and for someone "new" to it (after all, he was only just advised how to act maybe an hour ago tops). Jung was so "nice" to her that I'm sure the little girl will collaborate with his story, and still think he's the greatest thing since sliced bread.
The kid destroys his enemies and all the while they love him for it.
That's why Prof. Baek is disturbed and I agree with him. It's only obvious to an adult (or the reader) what Jung is doing.

Ironically I ended up liking Jung a lot more in this chapter though LOL


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 Post subject: Re: Part 2 Chapter 44
PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 5:33 pm 
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Maybe it is just me but Jung being slightly manipulative isn't a bad thing persay. With his family's position, there will always be someone wanting something and using underhanded methods. I think if others initiate it, Jung reacting by doing the same is closer to self-defense.


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 Post subject: Re: Part 2 Chapter 44
PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 9:34 pm 
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CheeryCherry wrote:
Haven't posted here in a while, but I just had to get my two cents in.

Okay, I think those of you mentioning the Baek siblings are missing the point.
Neither of those kids are sociopathically manipulative, they just have anger issues (on a varying scale). We've never seen either of them successfully try to subtly manipulate anyone... most of the time they deal out their revenge in your face. Secondly, it's not fair to tell Professor Baek to "look at his own grandkids". This flashback revealed that the siblings' parents have been dead since they were very young, and they've obviously haven't been living in a stable home environment. If Prof. Baek had lived, I'm pretty sure the professor would've stamped out most of the siblings anger issues as he apparently did the same with Jung's dad. But he died when the siblings were in their prime development stage, so of course they had no mentor.

The problem with Jung is that he knew exactly what he was doing as he manipulated that girl. He knew how to act to get her to do what he wanted. What's even more scary is that he manipulated her so well that even she didn't realize it. It's scarily smart especially for such young an age, and for someone "new" to it (after all, he was only just advised how to act maybe an hour ago tops). Jung was so "nice" to her that I'm sure the little girl will collaborate with his story, and still think he's the greatest thing since sliced bread.
The kid destroys his enemies and all the while they love him for it.
That's why Prof. Baek is disturbed and I agree with him. It's only obvious to an adult (or the reader) what Jung is doing.

Ironically I ended up liking Jung a lot more in this chapter though LOL


Well, I'm not saying that Prof. Baek said something wrong...
Yes, Jung is manipulative, but before he pointed dirt on someone else, he should check his own first.
I'm just saying that.... because, seeing what his grandchildren become, I just cannot see him as anything else but hypocrite.

And well about the siblings... obviously there's already something wrong with them from the beginning....
In Ho, I can understand, but nice kid with their experience don't turn into psycho like In Ha, no matter how angry they are.
So basically I think there is already something wrong with In Ha from the beginning.

And I only seeing a bit of the flashback, but even when Jung was still nice to them (and In Ho still befriended with Jung), she's already showing sign of psycho.

And I do think being manipulative is better than being psycho, at least you don't attack random people for small reason.


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 Post subject: Re: Part 2 Chapter 44
PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 11:59 pm 
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So, the little girl wasn't Inha.


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 Post subject: Re: Part 2 Chapter 44
PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 12:05 am 
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pucca91pucca wrote:
So, the little girl wasn't Inha.

She is not...
I'm saying about the flashback when Jung was still in high school. She's already acting psycho, by overeacting to the girl that want to be close to Jung. I'm not surprise if she indeed threatened some of his girlfriend to break up with him.


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 Post subject: Re: Part 2 Chapter 44
PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 12:07 am 
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I'm not really fond of In Ha either, but from read CITT so far, her character was forming as she grow older. Both In Ha and In Ho were orphan since they're little. They're under Prof. Baek's guidance for short time (before he passed away) and Prof. Baek was being busy with his job. At that time Prof. Baek didn't have chance to 'take care' his grandchildren properly. Then they're have to moved to their aunty's house, which has her own children (I assumed). While In Ha enjoyed playing one of music instrument, her aunty/uncle decided that only In Ho can continue his skill.

So far the three of them: Jung, In Ho and In Ha were in good term during their childhood that till In Ho's accident happen. In Ha and In Ho were fighting about In Ho's hand but that just out of anger and frustration. In Ho were very upset and gone to countryside leaving In Ha alone.

This is one of my theory too, Jung's father somehow knew that Jung had something to do with In Ho's hand, and felt very bad that In Ho gone. So he offered In Ha to pay her living cost. In Ha just being In Ha, she took everything for granted, she didn't want to work nor study. And yes, she knew and learned that her "look" could be used for 'something' else.

But since Jung and In Ho had interacted with Sul regularly, they've changed a little bit. Off course bad/old habit dies hard, they're still the same Jung and In Ho.


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