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 Post subject: Re: Chapter 33
PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 10:40 pm 
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1. Young Gon: Young Gon insulted Jung in front of everyone. Shortly after, he started stalking Sul, claiming that Jung egged him on. Then he suddenly took a leave of absence, which Sul found strange because he kept coming to school even after public humiliation in front of everyone.


well I dont find it surprising that young gon took a leave, evrybody likes jung so evryone hangs up with jung and now that gon said something against jung he is unpopular (I mean more unpopular than befor) so thats for me not surprising that he wont go there anymore. and we see him working and someone asks him how he could buy that expansive handy. so that let us also know that he got money problems, maybe he cant pay anymore for his schoolership.

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3. Joo Yeon: Right now, Joo Yeon is acting paranoid. We know she'll also be leaving at the end of the semester. Is the person responsible Jung or the AP? Did she come across the AP's dirty deeds, and Jung covered for him? And I'd like to point out something bigger: Sul considers Jung to be her biggest problem last year, not Joo Yeon. She could handle Joo Yeon. And now Joo Yeon is also scared of something.


about the matter with yeon, well if jung finds out that she did some nasty stuff to sul and we think that jung likes sul than it woudnt be far of to believe that jung confronted yeon with the things she did to sul and thats why she stops going to the university.

also we should not forget that the lady fortune teller said that sul will meet an unlucky guy, maybe jung knows how the girls that are near him could do nasty stuff to other girls because they dont want them as competitors, so he tries at the beginning to ignore sul so that no one does anything to her.
I mean the timing for jung to start talking with sul is perfect, yeon isnt here anymore to hurt sul.

do you remember when jung took a picture with sul? I mean why would he do that if he isnt interested in her?

maybe I am wrong and jung is pure evil, but I hope that isnt the case^^


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 Post subject: Re: Chapter 33
PostPosted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 1:24 am 
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the theories are interesting, but I doubt that Jun actually confronted the homeless lady to do these things. He probably 'hinted' at something, so that the lady would assume to go to the library, but he'd not actually tell her. He's a vicious guy, if Sul confronts him about it, he'd probably slip through with 'I never said that'. Like with what happened with the stalker dude.


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 Post subject: Re: Chapter 33
PostPosted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 3:28 am 
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with the homeless woman, I think from her comments you can tell that she has a problem with college students being proud and disrespectful.

Hmm... true, I've never thought about that one. There's still something weird though. When confronting Sul, she was looking straight at her and didn't seem too afraid, but with Jung she was not looking at him, even shaking a bit. Though, it could just be that Jung is tall so more intimidating.

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Could the homeless man or woman be in any way connected to Jeon?

The thing is, Joo Yeon looked scared afterwards, so I'm not sure she planned this. Also, when Jung was talking to the old lady, Yoo Jeon was stuck in the bathroom, so there's a big coincidence going on here. And, whenever one of her plans failed, Joo Yeon would look frustrated. Would You run away scared from seeing someone, when the day before you ordered someone else to attack this someone? Something happened to Joo Yeon.

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well I dont find it surprising that young gon took a leave, evrybody likes jung so evryone hangs up with jung and now that gon said something against jung he is unpopular (I mean more unpopular than befor) so thats for me not surprising that he wont go there anymore. and we see him working and someone asks him how he could buy that expansive handy.

I think you're confusing Young Gon and In Ho. D: We never saw Young Gon work. Also, Young Gon DIDN'T leave after the Jung incident, that's just the point. He kept coming to class despite the public humiliation. But he Did stop coming after Sul and Eun Taek confronted him on the fact that he stalked Sul. This should have been nothing compared to the Jung incident though: it wasn't public, and Young Gon gets humiliated by girl experiences all the time (Joo Yeon, Bo Ra, and supposedly a Lot of other girls turned him down too). Why did he leave after This particular incident?

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about the matter with yeon, well if jung finds out that she did some nasty stuff to sul and we think that jung likes sul than it woudnt be far of to believe that jung confronted yeon with the things she did to sul and thats why she stops going to the university.

The problem with That is that Jung already knows that Joo Yeon did a lot of nasty stuff to Sul and said that he'd pretend that he didn't hear anything. Now, I do think Jung is responsible for Joo Yeon leaving, but I don't think he just walked up to her and said "Now look here, aren't you being a bit mean?" Joo Yeon: "Sorry, I'll leave the university now. :( " He likely used more under-handed methods.

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also we should not forget that the lady fortune teller said that sul will meet an unlucky guy, maybe jung knows how the girls that are near him could do nasty stuff to other girls because they dont want them as competitors, so he tries at the beginning to ignore sul so that no one does anything to her.

Except he specifically acted nice to Sul every time girls, including Joo Yeon, was around (offering to help with homework when he had clearly promised other girls present that he'd help Them, talking to Sul when she was giving the finger to Joo Yeon). On the contrary, he acted nasty to her or ignored her whenever Sul was alone.

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do you remember when jung took a picture with sul?

Sure, but this is in current-year. We're talking about the flashback years. There was no evidence that Jung was a nice guy in the flashback years, which is exactly why everything is so strange.


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 Post subject: Re: Chapter 33
PostPosted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 5:38 am 
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About Joo Yeon being related to the homeless lady...
Joo Yeon seemed extremely hostile to the homeless. She's very, very proud of herself, and I think she'd hate to have a homeless person help her. But well, Joo Yeon seems to hate Sul a lot as well, and she's been humilitized in front of Jung, the guy she adores. So drastic situations may call for drastic measures. But Joo Yeon's reaction was funky at the end of the chapter. Maybe she thinks Jung knows something about her that she doesn't want anybody else finding out? Or she might know something about Jung that nobody else knows.


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 Post subject: Re: Chapter 33
PostPosted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 6:04 am 
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You could even say that it's her only good point: she does her dirty deeds by herself. xD

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Or she might know something about Jung that nobody else knows.

That's possible too. I'm sure things have been happening to her and she's possibly suspecting Jung. But, it's still possible that she's suspecting Sul, she always thought of Sul as someone quite clever. Well, it'd be more clear if we see her alone with either Jung or Sul in future chapters. :D

I wonder what else will happen in the past? All the major events in Sul's first flashbacks are coming to a close: Young Gon is gone, Joo Yeon seems to be on her way out, and she didn't recall anybody else in particular.


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 Post subject: Re: Chapter 33
PostPosted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 12:51 pm 
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well jung said that he would forget evrything that happened, but now someone got injured (sul), so I can see him taking action and warning yeon to stop harassing sul. and in all flashbacks that we saw until now, we never saw jung doing something to sul, yeah he said to gon that sul is maybe intersted in him (after gon bugged him) but appart from the he didnt do anything to sul, yeah we know he ignored her at the beginning but elso?

who has In Ho. ? I think I forgot him^^


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 Post subject: Re: Chapter 33
PostPosted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 5:41 pm 
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I don't think the old lady has anything to do with Jung, as someone else said, she was just there feeling unrespected by the world, and Sul happened to be in the wrong place.

Said that, I think that probably, Jung is stalking Sul... or at least he had seeing everything in that moment with the old lady. But he doesn't make it as obvious as Gon. and as Yuko said, I also think that Nam Joo Yeon saw something that she wasn't supposed to see or/and got threatened by Jung for that, or she just got threatened to stop messing with the cute Sul

I would also want to know if besides Jung and Gon, someone else... a normal guy, showed interest in Sul or if she tried to had a healthy relationship with someone else and Jung got crazy or something and now he wants to monopolize her


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But don't forget we are seeing Sul's flashbacks, if something happened between Jung and Nam Yoo, or Jung and Gon, we are not going to know it until someone else tells that to Sul


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 Post subject: Re: Chapter 33
PostPosted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 11:58 pm 
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Inaki wrote:
[color=#FF0040]I don't think the old lady has anything to do with Jung, as someone else said, she was just there feeling unrespected by the world, and Sul happened to be in the wrong place.


Well, that was basically my idea too, but then - doesn't it leave too much coincidence to be true? I mean, think carefully:

1) We get the scene with Jung giving money to exactly this old lady. Quite a big scene, in fact, so it's a bit doubtful the author would include it only to show Jung's kindness. Or to make Sul think about his kindness, whatever; all the previous chapters with Jung-in-past were somehow connected to Sul's troubles, were they not?

2) even if that's not so and there was no, um, subornation, the woman still came into the school. Sul got hurt as the result... and then Jung (mind you, Jung) asks her (from all people!) whether she's the victim from yesterday. All caring and compassionate [and saying creepy things], while just two chapters ago he intentionally ignored her. Mizura is right, why is he the only one to ask precisely about the library? And with Nam Joo Yeon behind the corner... could Jung see her, by the way, from that place where he stood?
Plus, his reminder 'be careful' turned up again. Creepy, creepy, creeeeeepy!..

What I'm saying is that he certainly knows more about this than he pretends to know. Maybe he wasn't the one to manipulate the old woman around - but knows something which now allows him to use situation to his advantage. (oh, well, it seems I'm actually starting to believe that he was the one after all! just in the morning thought the opposite :lol: )
And hey, could it be that Sul is not an aim, just a tool in solving his personal problems (dunno, Joo Yeon?) and his warning was actually 'hey, if you are a good girl and dance to my tune, nothing bad is gonna happen, eh?' :|


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 Post subject: Re: Chapter 33
PostPosted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 7:38 am 
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I guess you have a point, he knew that something happened in the library, but not necessary was his plan... it could be that he saw it (he was stalking her or was a coincidence), which would make it even more creepy cuz he didnt help her (and if he had, he would have become a hero in Sul's eyes), but he didn't because in that moment he was still kind of against her XD

I had to read Cheese in the Trap 3 times before I understood what was happening XD, I seriously needed a timeline explanation, but right now Im Ok XD


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 Post subject: Re: Chapter 33
PostPosted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 1:58 pm 
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Yes, something like that. He could also ask the security guard... though then that episode with money-giving stays a bit out of place. >_>
Anyway, guess we'll just find out everything... eventually :twisted:


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