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 Post subject: Re: Part 2 Chapter 59
PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 1:19 am 
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^ It Is a bit weird... I mean, even though she has communication issues, Sul communicates like 10 times more than your average shoujo heroine that never says anything "just because" (okay, often because of some misplaced pride or sensitivity issue). D: In fact, Sul's lack of communication doesn't seem unusual if you look at it from a potential cultural point of view. I'm not familiar with Korean culture, but I imagine that like in many Asian countries, women aren't supposed to speak up too much, for the sake of politeness (as opposed to the U.S. where everybody is supposed to tell you everything in your face).


Nowadays in Korea, unless you live with some hard-core conservatives/traditionalists, nobody will ever judge you for speaking out your opinion, as long as you're not offending someone. Usually in the army or a conservative workplace, they will expect you to put your superiors' opinions over your own opinions, but among friends, or casual acquaintances, which Sul surely is with Sung Eun, this is almost never the case.

Sul's communication is 10 times more than the average shoujo heroine because most "average" shoujo heroines aren't.... realistic. I don't think we should even begin to compare Sul to them, because obviously, Cheese in the Trap puts real-life scenarios and relationships as a priority than the average shoujo story does. Sul is a far more realistic character than most shoujo heroines, so she should be evaluated upon that standard.

I still sort of stand by the opinion that Sul has problems communicating with people. We know that she tried to avoid talking about her financial problems to Bo Ra and Eun Taek, didn't tell Jung about her encounter with Oh Young Gon, haven't really faced the fact that she is still "iffy" with Jung's situation with In Ho and his possible hidden motives. Yeah, she might just be trying to be polite, but I think there are some things that you're meant to talk about, and if you don't talk about these sort of things, they'll lead to problems.


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 Post subject: Re: Part 2 Chapter 59
PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 9:10 pm 
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To be honest, I don't think Sul's problems in the language center are caused by her lack of communication (which is true in situation with Bo Ra). I rather see it as an influence of 2 gorgeous guys around her. She is still old Sul, a rather quiet girl focused on studying mostly. But... she seems to be on good terms with that dazzling foreigner 'Thomas'. Voila! A dorky girl becomes adorkable in people's eyes and they start to fantasize further. Like she dates foreigners only or doesn't respect guys from lower universities etc etc.

And they didn't even see Jung yet! Though he is also responsible: thanks to him Sul could say proudly that she has a boyfriend already when a blond guy tried to hit on her.

It was the same with Nam Je Yeon actually. The latter hadn't seen an enemy in Sul until Jung started showing some interest toward her.

Maybe it's just what the fortune teller warned Sul about.


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 Post subject: Re: Part 2 Chapter 59
PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 5:00 am 
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:) I've been occupied by other things and have been late to comment on this chapter....

I think Song Eun is just frustrated and upset and it's easy to blame others when that happens. I suppose Sul must have been mentioned in the "argument/incident" that caused her to run out of the classroom.

The rumours are so malicious...Hmm but does In Ho really look that much like a foreigner? I mean this is a comic so it's kinda hard to tell but I really wonder.

I'm kind of proud of Sul in this chapter though. I think it shows she's really come a long way.
Sul would never have argued/expressed herself/yelled at Song Eun like that in the past and the way she just lets go and rants to Jung, then lets him support her is really unthinkable for the Sul of the past. The verdict is still to be seen but Jung has definitely wiggled his way to a unique spot (well In Ho too) in Sul's world. It's also interesting how forthcoming she seems with Song Eun given that they only knew each other for less than 1 summer.

There's still a big pile between Sul and Jung huh. I don't know, sometimes, if people have changed and are sincere now, maybe it's better not to dig up the past...I think with her current troubles, it's better for Sul to be able to depend on Jung for support...

And Jung's offer to stay...I know it's unlikely but Sul should just accept it since Jun's not going to be around...(not just saying this because I like those "tense" skinship moments that Sul squirms out of :P). We'll find out tonight!

Might be funny for "prince" Jung to visit "pauper" Sul's home (especially since she wasn't expecting him and hasn't packed) hahahaha. Would be fun to get more bomb kimbap humor.

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 Post subject: Re: Part 2 Chapter 59
PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 8:43 am 
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aliene wrote:
The rumours are so malicious...Hmm but does In Ho really look that much like a foreigner? I mean this is a comic so it's kinda hard to tell but I really wonder.


I think it's been mentioned somewhere that In Ho's grandpa was of foreigner descent (or half-foreign at least). So that would make him... like quarter-foreign-ish. For some reason, my memory remembers it as British, but I'm pretty sure I'm wrong.


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 Post subject: Re: Part 2 Chapter 59
PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 10:29 am 
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yuko1909 wrote:
I think it's been mentioned somewhere that In Ho's grandpa was of foreigner descent (or half-foreign at least). So that would make him... like quarter-foreign-ish. For some reason, my memory remembers it as British, but I'm pretty sure I'm wrong.


Oh hmm I must have missed that O_O

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 Post subject: Re: Part 2 Chapter 59
PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 3:02 pm 
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aliene wrote:
yuko1909 wrote:
I think it's been mentioned somewhere that In Ho's grandpa was of foreigner descent (or half-foreign at least). So that would make him... like quarter-foreign-ish. For some reason, my memory remembers it as British, but I'm pretty sure I'm wrong.


Oh hmm I must have missed that O_O



Remember that the first meeting with Sul in subway a tourist tries to speak in English with In Ho is assuming he also is foreign


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 Post subject: Re: Part 2 Chapter 59
PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 8:28 pm 
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Two things.... I think the landlord's grandson wore a reddish wig because now he is trying to get rid of Jun, who will be spotted, accused and evicted. This will once again leave Sul alone, and no other witnesses.

Also, the rumor is that Sul only associates with smart people, so does this mean that Sun Eun is smart? Maybe that is partly why people are catty towards her because she is smart and they are threatened?


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 Post subject: Re: Part 2 Chapter 59
PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2012 6:46 am 
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yuko1909 wrote:
I still sort of stand by the opinion that Sul has problems communicating with people. We know that she tried to avoid talking about her financial problems to Bo Ra and Eun Taek, didn't tell Jung about her encounter with Oh Young Gon, haven't really faced the fact that she is still "iffy" with Jung's situation with In Ho and his possible hidden motives. Yeah, she might just be trying to be polite, but I think there are some things that you're meant to talk about, and if you don't talk about these sort of things, they'll lead to problems.

I don't know about that. The stuff Sul chooses to keep to herself are types of things I would keep to myself. I don't tell my friends about my financial issues. In fact, my mom used to say that in public their are things you shouldn't talk about: politics, money, religion, and for the most part sex (unless your with a very close friend). It could be that instead of Sul keeping too much to herself, Bora overshares and expects Sul to do the same. It's all about persception. Sure, to Bora Sul is keeping everything to herself, but in reality Sul is only keeping very personal things to herself. I had a friend who shared even less than I did. When her friend died, she didn't want to talk about it at all and I didn't push it. She also doesn't talk about her home life or issues with her father, and especially doesn't talk about her financial situation. I don't push it because friends know when to back off.

I think point I'm trying to make is you can't say Sul "under shares", because people are different and have different levels of comfort in what they like to discuss with others, even with their best friends. Maybe instead of Bora getting angry about it, she should except it as who Sul is. Maybe when she got mad at Sul for not paying attention to the trip and Sul snapped back that she had no money for a trip, instead of getting angry at Sul for not being more honest, she should have tried to be a little more understanding. It's embarrassing to be poor and not be able to afford to go out to lunch with your friends. I'm just saying it goes both ways. Sul should probably had told Bora in the beginning that a trip wasn't a good idea, and Bora should except that there are some things Sul doesn't want to talk about.

Wow, I rambled a lot. xD


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 Post subject: Re: Part 2 Chapter 59
PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 3:37 am 
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Two things.... I think the landlord's grandson wore a reddish wig because now he is trying to get rid of Jun, who will be spotted, accused and evicted. This will once again leave Sul alone, and no other witnesses.


WOAH that's actually really creepy. I don't know if Jun can be considered tall, but if he does get spotted, accused, and evicted, and I will go "o______o" because now things are definitely getting scary... Sul always seems to attract the weird creepers... Young Gon and now this...


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 Post subject: Re: Part 2 Chapter 59
PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 3:44 am 
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That was quite interesting, Airi! :D Yeah, maybe I sympathize with Sul because I'm not the type to "share" that much about my problems either. It feels like I'm trying to push my problems onto people who wouldn't know what to do about them.

It doesn't help that you sometimes have to watch what you're saying. I had a relative who shared a lot of her problems with her friend, and one day that friend ended up betraying her and using all that against her. >: \

I guess Sul just shows the difficulties of balancing between sharing too little and sharing too much.


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