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 Post subject: Re: Part 2 Chapter 52
PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 5:30 pm 
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evilcleo wrote:
Good chapter but I'm still wondering why it is relevent to the current storyline. We already knew jung and Sul had miscommunication issues. Still can't understand the money thing. I mean, I know he was used to paying but because of that, wouldn't he have been grateful that someone at least offered? Sul wasn't mocking him or anything.


You have a point; we do know that Sul and Jung already had miscommunication problems. But I think this chapter, coupled with every other flashback with their interactions, is vital to understanding just how awkward their relationship was before. My best friend and I concluded that this chapter really highlights how different Sul is from everyone else in regards to Jung. First, she tries to pay for her share; that's something almost no one does because everyone knows that Jung will. Second, she gets really close to him to grab his attention. But from Jung's POV, he's probably thinking, "Why the hell is this creeper so close to me?" Jung is very reserved and doesn't appreciate people stepping into his "bubble." Third, after everyone else agrees to the pub plan, Sul decides to throw in a new and improved version of the idea. Jung most likely is thinking, "Yeesh, everyone agreed already, why are you trying to hold us back?" And I think Jung was expecting Sul to leave with an angry or annoyed face, because that's her usual expression around him; instead, Sul's face went completely dead and she quietly leaves the room. That was a real curve ball for Jung.

So even though we know Sul wasn't mocking him, we have to look at that situation from a peer's perspective. Why would she pay for her own meal? Doesn't she know that Jung always pays? Is she trying to look good? And why did she get so close to me just to scream into my ear? Do I look like a hooker who needs to be paid for my service? (Those last two were my imagined Jung's thoughts :P)

This chapter was GREAT! I haven't been posting in a while, so I'd just like to show my appreciation: THANKS TONS AND BUNCHES AND TONS AND BUNCHES YUKO! Every CitT reader is eternally grateful for all your hard work. Thank you!


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 Post subject: Re: Part 2 Chapter 52
PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 5:36 pm 
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aliene wrote:
I forgot to say how much love I have for Kyung Hwan for "talking" to Jung! Most people would worship Jung's decisions like the gospel, right? It's really nice that he told Jung that he shouldn't have been so hard on Sul regarding the bar thing. Kyung hwan is a real friend :D


I totally agree with you! I thought it was really cool how Kyung Hwan actually stood up for Sul, saying he liked her idea and it wasn't such an impossibility. Even though he's kinda lazy (he always balks at the idea of hard work), he's definitely one of my top 5 favorite characters in the story. :D


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 Post subject: Re: Part 2 Chapter 52
PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 7:59 pm 
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I think everyone's idea was it wasn't going to be that much work for Sul though, since she had already researched it previously. So in their mind it was probably a case of just reorganizing the info which she already had on hand. The research was one part of the project but I'm sure there would be work after that. Jung doesn't really strike me as the kind of person who wouldn't be splitting the work among everyone?


I agree. Even though the way it's drawn it seems like she's getting put-upon, her work load didn't seem that grievous to me. I figured there was a lot more work to do in that project besides research so that it was fair. But I feel the intention was there cause Jung was making really sneaky facial expressions as if to say "ha! that's what you get"


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 Post subject: Re: Part 2 Chapter 52
PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 8:13 pm 
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I agree. Even though the way it's drawn it seems like she's getting put-upon, her work load didn't seem that grievous to me.


But right after that we were shown how much efforts she have to put to finish the work - she basically even did it in train, pulling all nighters, get to research in library etc etc. From previous chapters (like the economy group presentation with Sangchul-sunbae etc), my impression is that they have to create the report for the parts they researched themselves, before presenting it individually.

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But I feel the intention was there cause Jung was making really sneaky facial expressions as if to say "ha! that's what you get"

That's true, although I kinda wonder if this is viewed from Sul's perspective - like in the vending machine encounter just after the old lady accident, an expression that Jung remembers as; perhaps, amusing; was seen in Sul's perspective in a more twisted way :?


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 Post subject: Re: Part 2 Chapter 52
PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 8:21 pm 
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evilcleo wrote:
Good chapter but I'm still wondering why it is relevent to the current storyline. We already knew jung and Sul had miscommunication issues. Still can't understand the money thing. I mean, I know he was used to paying but because of that, wouldn't he have been grateful that someone at least offered? Sul wasn't mocking him or anything.


I don't know if this is exactly the case in this chapter, but... I was thinking... The paying for everybody thing is like a doble edge sword. You have the "poor Jung he's always paying" side, and the "how great and how thankful we all are to Jung" side. He has lots and lots of money so he really don't care about paying. What is beneficial to Jung is this second side. I'm positive, he's like a Machiavellian prince, and one way to "control" the people around him is paying for the food (he knows everybody is going to be grateful and love him for that). I'm sure he's shocked when Sul tries to pay her part, but I think he's more pissed off inside because he can't control her. If you pay your part you don't need to feel grateful or indebted to anyone.


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 Post subject: Re: Part 2 Chapter 52
PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 11:12 pm 
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Thanks Yuko! That was an awesome chapter!

Oh I see, so the reason Sul was working late in the library was because Jung pushed that extra work onto her. Nam Joo Yeon was of course responsible for sending the old lady her way, but once again, we see how Jung's existence causes bad luck for Sul. Jung never meant for Nam Joo to hate Sul, he never meant to place Sul in the library that night, and he never meant to cause the old lady to stay on campus (by giving her money, she stuck around). Three seperate elements that all had to come together: Nam Joo's jealousy, a crazy homeless woman showing up right then, and Sul forced to work late at night, alone. It boggles the mind!

Jung definitely felt a bit put out when Sul jumped in with Company B. He may have thought she was trying to one-up him b/c she was gunning for first place. Remember, he thought she had been giving him the cold shoulder b/c he was #1 in the department. I think his attitude was "Fine, if you want to be the star of the group, then you can do the work."

I don't think that Jung was creeped out by Sul standing so close to him. I think it was more of a moment of surprise between the two of them. Jung is very tall, but he's looking up at her, but she's leaning over so they are pretty much at eye-level. They have never locked eyes before, and it's very intimate. It reminds me of the scene in "Pride and Prejudice" (Keira Knightly) where Mr. Darcy helps Elizabeth into the carriage by touching his bare hand to hers (usually one or both would be wearing gloves). It shocks both of them that they feel attraction b/c they are sure they don't like eachother. But in that moment their brains shut down (their egos and petty pride) and their hearts are allowed free reign. Then the brain kicks in and immediately stuffs those feelings down.

Later, when they are discussing the school festival idea, it looked like Jung was facillitating the discussion. Then Sul offered her suggestion and the class started to agree with her. Jung probably felt she was challenging him, personally, and so he shot down her idea. He probably thought she wasn't really trying to help make the event better, she was just trying to 'bring him down' (she hadn't been participating in the discussion at all, and she was at the back, a full row away from everyone else). So when she backed off and left, he realised he had misjudged her motivations. And, now we know that Jung is also wondering if Sul is about to cry

Still, I am a bit confused by the timeline. Right after the library incident, Jung hands her the drink and asks if her cut hand is okay. I thought that he was nice to her from then on. However, in this chapter, it seems that Sul got her hand cut and then sometime after that, this discussion about the school festival takes place. So he was nice to her after the incident but then antagonistic again about the class event. It's not surprising Sul looked so hurt that he shot down her idea. Then they had the school event at the bar where Sul loudly declared she was taking another leave of absence. Jung asks AP Huh to lose his report and then the new semester starts. Jung sits down beside Sul in their new class. Sul mutters that she is going to switch classes and Jung asks if he makes her uncomfortable. He walks her part-way home. From then on, we see the new Jung who is working hard to become friends with Sul. They have the movie assignment 'date' where Jung observes that Sul is very good at noticing things, but he is very slow to notice things.

So, I think this chapter (as well as the other flashback where he learns how much her mom and dad pressure her to be first) shows how Jung was slowly realising he had misjudged Sul and treated her poorly at times. And although he didn't realise it, his attraction for her had already started when they locked eyes in the pub.

(I'm sorry this is so long)


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 Post subject: Re: Part 2 Chapter 52
PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 12:10 am 
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I don't think that Jung was creeped out by Sul standing so close to him. I think it was more of a moment of surprise between the two of them. Jung is very tall, but he's looking up at her, but she's leaning over so they are pretty much at eye-level. They have never locked eyes before, and it's very intimate. It reminds me of the scene in "Pride and Prejudice" (Keira Knightly) where Mr. Darcy helps Elizabeth into the carriage by touching his bare hand to hers (usually one or both would be wearing gloves). It shocks both of them that they feel attraction b/c they are sure they don't like eachother. But in that moment their brains shut down (their egos and petty pride) and their hearts are allowed free reign. Then the brain kicks in and immediately stuffs those feelings down.

I really like the way you're thinking. First, for the eye-contact situation. Their first time face to face, litterally! I hadn't thought about it that way!
Then, "pride and prejudice"! This! I mean, this is the real thing. You just touched my soul!
(ok, so this post is obviously useless, i'm not adding any thought to the "what's up with Jung anyway?" matter, for that i'm sorry :oops: )
But i'm not sorry that i love Serena27 and her post! 8-)

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 Post subject: Re: Part 2 Chapter 52
PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 12:53 am 
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isther wrote:
Serena27 wrote:

I don't think that Jung was creeped out by Sul standing so close to him. I think it was more of a moment of surprise between the two of them. Jung is very tall, but he's looking up at her, but she's leaning over so they are pretty much at eye-level. They have never locked eyes before, and it's very intimate. It reminds me of the scene in "Pride and Prejudice" (Keira Knightly) where Mr. Darcy helps Elizabeth into the carriage by touching his bare hand to hers (usually one or both would be wearing gloves). It shocks both of them that they feel attraction b/c they are sure they don't like eachother. But in that moment their brains shut down (their egos and petty pride) and their hearts are allowed free reign. Then the brain kicks in and immediately stuffs those feelings down.

I really like the way you're thinking. First, for the eye-contact situation. Their first time face to face, litterally! I hadn't thought about it that way!
Then, "pride and prejudice"! This! I mean, this is the real thing. You just touched my soul!
(ok, so this post is obviously useless, i'm not adding any thought to the "what's up with Jung anyway?" matter, for that i'm sorry :oops: )
But i'm not sorry that i love Serena27 and her post! 8-)


Thanks so much isther! That made my day! I really see a lot of similarities between Jung and Mr. Darcy. Sul is not like Elizabeth, but the way Sul's pride collides with Jung's and create misunderstandings seems to be very similar to that of Elizabeth and Mr. Darcy. And just like in P&P, Jung and Sul think they are so different, but they are actually very much alike.


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 Post subject: Re: Part 2 Chapter 52
PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 9:08 am 
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About Sul's workload...well she's a bit of an overachiever, no? So maybe she worked herself harder than she needed to...and to the people who "pushed' the work to her, they really weren't expecting that amount of work to be done, but since Sul is always trying to be "excellent" she just did it her usual way, which was to work a bit too hard....

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 Post subject: Re: Part 2 Chapter 52
PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 4:21 pm 
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prismoo wrote:
aliene wrote:
I forgot to say how much love I have for Kyung Hwan for "talking" to Jung! Most people would worship Jung's decisions like the gospel, right? It's really nice that he told Jung that he shouldn't have been so hard on Sul regarding the bar thing. Kyung hwan is a real friend :D


I think that's how he ended up considering just Kyung hwan much of close friend...
All these chapters showing past, i guess to show how Jung has fallen for Sul... Too good of a story..
but somewhere behind i still doubt Sul might take liking for in-ho subconciously....


If only scanlation is a category under social service..Yuko you would have a row of trophies :)
Thank u!!

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